Just for fun.....

Barbara · Posted: January 25, 2009, 3:38 pm Post subject: Just for fun.....

Hi Guys,

Just for the heck of it---how "Original" is original? My '77 "D" has a front fender, tank and exhaust system from a '75---is it not original? I'm OK either way, just wondering.

Until someone says otherwise, I'm going to assume that this will cover bikes that are used and made to work, and not just pristine examples, right? (Although I can't wait to see some really beautiful stock resto's!)

This is going to be a neat board!

Retiredgentleman · Posted: January 25, 2009, 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Barb, that's an interesting question for sure. For a bike to be a true original, it would probably have to be a low milage bike that was stored away and never driven. That's a waste of a good vehicle, and we don't want that.

Most of these bikes have been regularly driven and parts have worn out and been replaced. Replacements are quite often better quality that the original part i.e. tires, ignition coils, electronic ignition, shock absorbers, springs etc.

I'd call my bike "close to original", because it looks original and changes have been minimal. OK, I don't have the buckhorn bars on my 78 Special, and the seat has been re-covered. Yes, the ignition has been changed to a better dual output coil. I've kept the old parts for the next owner, but there's no way I'm selling this bike anyway............."From my dead cold hands" phrase comes to mind! Smile

xs1961 · Posted: January 25, 2009, 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Reckon mine look 'original' but actually 'better than original' ... Im a modest man... Wink

650skull · Support Staff Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 1186

I recon a maintained bike that hasn't had a full strip and rebuild would be classed as an original. On my bike i have replaced the Steering head berrings, progressive front springs, rebuilt the calipers and new pads, bronze swing arm bush, and replaced broken back shocks. I class this as an original as the minor upgrades can't be seen and i have not repainted. A clean and polish is not a rebuild.

Snake · Posted: January 25, 2009, 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

yep, "original" would suggest still in the box...i think this forum is for those bikes that are not chopped or bobbed..modifications to make the bike work better are expected..that in essence is what i would like to see...what "straight" mods people have done.

jayel · Posted: January 25, 2009, 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

motor/handling/electrical upgrades are ok, something like a box section swingarm or inverted forks would be pushing the envelope however to me, paint doesn't matter, chopped/altered frame is a no-no, forward controls suck, lowered bikes don't bother me there are short people in the world, turn signals no turn signals personal preference there, same with gauges if you don't like a tach/speedo I don't care, pipes are another personal choice if your local cops don't care why should I,....

xsjohn · Posted: January 25, 2009, 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Don't know what the heck the guest thing is above........ Question

oil cooler (top end)
Intake valve oiler
dimpled pistons for oil retention on skirts
balanced pistons
rings..edges smoothed
8-1 compression + (cam retarded 2 degrees)
taller gearing 18/29
corrected carbs R/L needles
clutch rod dimpled (for allignment and better clutch)
carb piviot bent for quick throttle
recently carb barbs joined
vacuum petcock converted to manual petcock
louvers from point covers both sides (air draws throught cam hole)
6V diode for daytime running lights
new 15K clutch
opened alternator cover
built own spin on oil filter into clutch cover
set side clearance on oi pump to .002 thou
bent buckhorns to good bars
cleanbed all electrical connections
retarded timing (not really needed with 8-1 CR
still original bearings front and swingarm
new mikes headlight
46 polot jets
back to stock mainjets with 8-1 cr
no porting
stock pipes 7/16 hole in baffel (one was already done so I had to....

Can't think of any more at the moment....

xsjohn

xs1961 · Posted: January 25, 2009, 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

..OMG...I couldnt even begin a list..Take all night... Whenever anyone asks is it/are they original & what year I remind them of the Johnny Cash song about the cadillac.. 'cept mine goes.. 'well its a '69 '71 '74 ' '75 '76 '77 '79 '80 .... well Im sure you get my drift..

650skull · Support Staff Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 1186

On my 80SG I have a 78 standard tank and intend to put a SE-SF rear guard, (fender), and will have a set of TX gauges........ I think when these sorts of things are done to the bike original goes out the door........A bike has to look original, Mikes 5th gear would be acceptable but not the big bore kit. Mikes new oil filter and heat sink i could accept, but i'm not so sure i like his gauges to be classed as original.................. Handle bars are a personal preference and could be regarded as original........Goes without saying, Matching no's would stand above a mismatched motor and frame.........

650skull · Support Staff Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 1186

For the sake of this forum Mixed and matched standard and specials without any modification, (chopping, bobbing, trackers), or cutting to the frame............Your safe Barb...

Dunbar · Posted: January 26, 2009, 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

what...the...s*** Neutral

650rider · WebMaster Joined: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 431

Hi Folks,

Sorry about that load of junk posts - I forgot to set the permissions on the new section. Now you see why only members can post. Spam posts like that com from robots and 650Rider.com is on their hit list so if I make a new section and don't set the permissions right.... thats what we get.

Again sorry about that it should be good now.

650skull · Support Staff Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 1186

Thats a relief, good stuff....

xs1961 · Posted: January 26, 2009, 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Junk posts ? Where? When ? Confused

xsjohn · Posted: January 26, 2009, 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

While you were sleeping...........xsjohn

xs1961 · Posted: January 26, 2009, 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

..oh...

Barbara · Posted: January 26, 2009, 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Hi guys,

So....correct me if I'm wrong, but "Original-ish" and/or restored is good, right? That's great! My '77 will qualify here, and the new '79 will qualify as a cafe bike. Best of both!!

There will probably be a huge gray area about which we can debate ad infinitum, and that's always fun. Great new board--I like it already.

Laughing

woodman · Full Member Joined: Oct 12, 2008 Posts: 256

I like mine close to original. If I want lower handlebars or different pipes I change them. I also do the swingarm bushings & steering head tapered roller bearings. Its mine, I get to do it however I want !

Snake · Posted: January 27, 2009, 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

I also keep a list/track of the repairs and or modifications i do to the bike, the idea is to kee track of the cost as well as creating a history. here is mine attached.

JeffM · Posted: January 27, 2009, 1:41 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

Snake ... cool list

Where's the date of your first ride on the list though?!

Jeff

Snake · Posted: January 27, 2009, 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

JeffM...well i did suggest we had another forum called RIDES....and thats when i woulkd get that list out...just kidding....well as you can probably imagine from the repairs i have done..most of th rides have been a bit tense...but there have been no breakdowns to date...have done a number of social rides...in fact i have one coming up this weekend....to a place called Kawakawa......

Snake · Posted: January 27, 2009, 2:12 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

actually the first ride was from the PO back to my home. 138km or 1.40h...approx....the electrics packed in on the way, had to disconnect a few things and replace the fuses....i made the mistake of hitting the horn...it blew everything up!!...lucky i had a support crew of two harleys and a wife in the car...

Snake · Posted: January 27, 2009, 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

probably should have said "the" wife rather then "a" wife....otherwise you'll think im from salt lake...

JeffM · Posted: January 27, 2009, 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Just for fun.....

You're a long ride from Salt lake!! And would you really want more than one wife?

I hear you on the tense rides... I noticed the two condensor changes on the list... riding home on one cylinder? I am at the 'when can I just ride it and not tune it' stage.Getting close...

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