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djsifu Full Member
Joined: May 05, 2009 Posts: 22 Location: buffalo NY
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Posted: October 18, 2009, 11:09 pm Post subject: permanent magnet |
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Anyone done a permanent magnet alternator? Just looking to get info about the entire thing. Thanks
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650skull Support Staff
Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 1186
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Posted: October 19, 2009, 5:08 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Go into the Vault and look under "Alternative Alternators, Banshee" there are a couple of links, the one from the XS650 site of Australia has a good write up with pics and the one from 650 garage gives a good list of donor bikes for the Magneto.
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: October 19, 2009, 9:18 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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If you want to go with a RD set up, the German adapter plate looks like the best way to go! Maybe despecial can help you out with contacting that guy?????????
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dpmphoto Full Member
Joined: Apr 18, 2007 Posts: 485 Location: syracuse NY
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Posted: November 14, 2009, 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Have them in all my xs's easy and cheap to do.here's a few pics I took while doing my last one.shouldnt cost you more than $150 TO DO IT.If you need guidance let me know,It's nice having bright blinkers and being able to kick it over if you leave the key on.
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here's the flywheel off a banshee just got to make a new woodruff key.dont buy the lighter one |
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here's the coil got off ebay i think it was off a honda intereceptor, again bolts right on |
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just a standard banshee plate the adjustable one,you can drill new holes and it fits perfect |
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: November 18, 2009, 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Hi
With this system running on your 650
What overall size battery could you ruduce tojust to run lights & Elec start or do you just kick it over then off
ANY ideas
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despecial Full Member
Joined: Sep 26, 2009 Posts: 232 Location: D20000
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Posted: November 18, 2009, 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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- gday wally...ive been running one of these for some time now, in the beginning i ran a 4 Ah gel battery and kick start only, since then i removed the battery altogether and replaced it with a 25v 10000uF capacitor from a ktm...no problems, lotsa space, clean
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: November 21, 2009, 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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When I get this Conversion done i want to expose some of the rotor turning so you can see it turning by cutting a hole, slot or quarter out of the generator cover.
Could also paint the rotor a colour or two.
Will the RZ set up be bothered by the weather I know with the brush set John leaves his open but is it also OK to do it with this set up.
Any Ideas Please
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Wally, your going to need some timing marks on your new rotor.
Before you remove your old rotor etc, make sure you leave the motor on TDC. Still with the olsd rotor, learn to find TDC with a bit of dowell down the sparkplug hole. Once you happy you can find exact TDC again, then you can remove your old gear & fit the RZ stuff. Proper way would be to use a long dial gauge to get a precision moment of TDC.
Then when your done, make sure again & again it's on TDC & scribe a mark. Then print out this degree wheel (or any other)
www.google.com.au/imgr...CAsQ9QEwAA
Glue it to a bit of cardboard & bolt it to the crank. Then scribe your marks at 15 & 40 degrees before TDC. Well tht's the std marks anyway, you might want to scribe your marks a little retarded, like 13 & 38.
A few degrees can make a big difference, so make sure you get it right!
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: November 23, 2009, 2:26 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Thanks Yamaman
Its all so clear now
Thanks again
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 1, 2009, 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Hi All
I have come across two wiring diagrams for this conversion
Both show a fuse, i wonder what size that fuse should be?
Any Idea?
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 3, 2009, 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Conversion all done now
Only problem was when I set it at TDC & made new mark + new marks for timing & advance
When I started the bike the marks did not line up with the RZ marker as planned, the new timing marks on the rotor were at least 50 degrees forward of the RZ marker.
What’s up there?
Anyhow timing before set up was good, with timing light I just made a new mark on the stator plate that matched the mark on the rotor.
Bike back fires through the muffler on decal but it was doing that before.
Bikes seem to run better & harder maybe more spark?
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: December 3, 2009, 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Did you get a woodruff key machined & fitted Wally?
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 3, 2009, 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Yes
I filled down the origanal XS key to fit
So its not the rotor moving I'm sure
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Has anyone seen this handmade bracket or know of anyone who has used one?
cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotor...414b265fa7
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80xs650 Full Member
Joined: Dec 02, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: Ashville, Ohio
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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I installed one this week on my 1977D. It is made by mrriggs on the XS650 Garage. It is a very nice piece that fits very well, and makes the permanent magnet alternator conversion much easier. I got my conversion up and running last night. I think you would be very pleased with it. Here's the thread on the XS650 Garage:
xs650temp.proboards.co...read=11096
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Very interesting. Thanks and let us know how it works out.
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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$75 US for adaptor plate
You can buy them here through club member for $30 Aust
Just got two & have just about completed one conversion
Had to buy a new Reg/Rec as second hand one was s*** faced
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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$75 US for adaptor plate
You can buy them here through club member for $30 Aust
Just got two & have just about completed one conversion
Had to buy a new Reg/Rec as second hand one was s*** faced
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CaptDan Full Member
Joined: Aug 25, 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: December 5, 2009, 11:39 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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wally wrote: |
$75 US for adaptor plate
You can buy them here through club member for $30 Aust
Just got two & have just about completed one conversion. | It seems the guys in the 'states haven't had much luck getting the adapter plates from Austrailia or Germany. I'm not sure why...
Plus, mrriggs' plate does away with the need for a Banshee stator mount. Just a little cleaner and simpler.
Be sure to tell us how your conversion turns out, Wally!
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pamcopete 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Oct 10, 2008 Posts: 875 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: December 5, 2009, 11:48 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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80xs650,
What did you use for the ignition system?
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80xs650 Full Member
Joined: Dec 02, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: Ashville, Ohio
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Posted: December 5, 2009, 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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pamcopete wrote: |
80xs650,
What did you use for the ignition system? |
Pamco, of course!
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 15, 2009, 3:24 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Hi
Just converted to the RZ stator & rotor But Does anyone know the size of the woodruff key foe a RZ 350 I need to make a new key?
Thanks
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wally Full Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 538 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: December 15, 2009, 3:27 am Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Hi
Just converted to the RZ stator & rotor But Does anyone know the size of the woodruff key foe a RZ 350 I need to make a new key?
Thanks
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: December 15, 2009, 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: permanent magnet |
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Probably have one at your local Yammy shop, I'll bet they fit a heap of models! Drop in there with your callipers & ask!
Here is the part # 9028005033
Cheers
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