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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 6, 2009, 9:00 pm Post subject: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Hi everyone. Been thinking about building an xs for a few years now, and finally just decided to go for it. The bike is a 72 that i found on craigslist. Its going to have a tc bros hardtail, hopefully 21" wheels (front and rear) both with drum brakes, and a cool old benelli gas tank. Thats the basic plan for now.
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frame on the table, all braced up and ready for some cutting |
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 6, 2009, 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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front wheel, only a 19" though |
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 6, 2009, 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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I'll post more pics in a week or so. Going to a concert in chicago this weekend, so wont get much done..... by then back end should be cut off.
jim
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bbjsw10 Full Member
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Posted: August 6, 2009, 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Nice start, be ready for the whiners though. It is a 72, that is why they will whine.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 6, 2009, 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Yeh, i have a 75 thats been in the family since it was new, so i definately wasn't going to cut that one up. I figure the only ones that are worth not modifying are xs1's and super low mileage bikes. just my opinion.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 11, 2009, 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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I had some time to work on my bike tonight. I leveled the bike on the stand and tack welded everything in place. Then on with the cutting. I'm really glad that i braced the frame so much, because after every cut was made, that bar would spring an eighth of an inch out alignment on the scrap side...... Anyways, just have the back end hacked off. I have to make the final cuts on the lower rails, and grind away all of the stumps of the old subframe. One thing I was wondering about is that the "slug" that tc bros suplied for the downtube crossmember, doesn't fit tightl in my downtube. It is only 1" in diameter, whereas my downtube is 1 3/8" inside diameter, leaving 3/8" of play. This doesn't seem right to me, I have to re read my instructions. I think I'm just going to find a piece of tubing that fits inside and notch it my self for a tighter fit, cause that other thing, will not work as is. I'll take pictures of this dilemma later.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 16, 2009, 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Got some work done today. Cleaned up all the cuts made to the frame and then fitted the hardtail section. It fits pretty good, but not as good as i thought. I had to fit a piece of tubing inside the downtube, and then stick the supplied slug into that to get a nice snug fit. I'm not shure if the bottom rails are suppose to be at that much of an angle, but i kinda like it. Also, the directions say that the upper rails are supposed to end up on the stamped part of the down tube. They are a little bit to far forward, but should work. I think this hard tail is more designed for the newer models of xs 650. but here is what i have so far.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 16, 2009, 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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I guess the frame isn't at ride height though, so the angle shouldn't look so weird once i get wheels on it. Its not welded up yet, so i can still tweak things a little. Input is welcome!
jim
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Teebs Full Member
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Posted: August 17, 2009, 2:07 am Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Looking good, jim. Man is that thing going to be LOW! Prepare to relocate your kickstand.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 18, 2009, 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Not Much of an update, but more/ better quality pictures! I drilled all the plug weld holes and did a final fit on the hardtail. It is now squared up and tacked into place, ready for final welding. The last picture is of the sleeve in the backbone mentioned earlier. Feels really solid now and there is no slop in the fit. I need to start looking for or building a seat soon. I like the look of biltwell seats, but not shure if i want to shell out that much cash.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 18, 2009, 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Oh, and I found these on top of my fork springs when i took them apart. Not exactly shure if they are supposed to be there. Ive seen some guys do it your self thread, and I think he said that the spacers for under the spring, not shure? I want to lower these forks, but i have to look into it more..... any coments or suggestions always welcome
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jayel 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: SE Iowa 1974 TX650A
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Posted: August 18, 2009, 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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those are longer than the stock spacer, damn PO stiffening up the fork trick, yes they go to the top of the fork not under the spring ... part #19
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 18, 2009, 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Cool, thanks for the sweet exploded view! Yeh I thought that they looked a little off, being as they had burs on each end and look like plumbing materials....
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 23, 2009, 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Good news. Frame is welded solid and ive got a rear wheel on. Its not the wheel I will be using, but its one I have laying arround. Also removed tank cups. I still need to trim the front ears on the benelli tank to make it fit right. Front fend is going to be used as the rear, i just have it sort of sitting in place, it wont be fit properly until i figure out wheel and tire combos. thats it for this weekend! Also note that my forks are practically bottomed out so it should sit higher in the front. Although it looks bad ass that way.
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mmasac Full Member
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Posted: August 23, 2009, 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Looks great, the benelli tank looks pretty slick on there. I cannot wait to find me a xs650 and get to chopping.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 23, 2009, 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Thanks! Here are a few more pictures.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: August 29, 2009, 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Put some time in today! I trimmed the tank ears so it would fit closer to the neck. I still need to take a bit more off, but im trying to be careful not to damage the original paint. I will have to brainstorm a bit to come up with a rear mount that will look good... The bars are some clubmans from ebay. Not shure if I want to leave them upsidedown like they are or put them the normal way and just run really low bars. I guess it all depends how everything feels as far as foot positioning and such. The seat is partially mounted. It is a biltwell unit with their stainless steel mounting bracket, which is tig welded in place. I dont have any springs for it yet, as I wasn't shure how tall I needed. I'm going with the torsion style or "hairpins" that are 3". Also, I switched out the rear wheel to an 18" which is what I think I will be running. I know that I wanted to do a 21" rear earlier, but I really want to run the piss out of this thing and I dont want to think about a front tire on the rear coming apart on the highway. So I'll just play it safe. Comments and suggestions welcome!
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blackwidow Full Member
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Posted: August 30, 2009, 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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nice work
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: September 8, 2009, 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Put the engine back in tonight. Seat springs arived the other day as well. Also moved seat crossmember to line up with the seat springs.
To anybody using a tcbros hardtail or anyone familiar with: Do you think my seat position looks weird compared to other builds using tc bros hard tail? I mounted it pretty high compared to others; thats what I'm seeing at least.
jim
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Teebs Full Member
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Posted: September 8, 2009, 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Hey jim, the bike's looking good. I did notice the seat was sitting higher and doesn't look quite right. Also, if you're going to run forward controls, that position might be a little uncomfortable. With mids it might not be too bad.
Keep it coming, can't wait to see it finished.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: September 8, 2009, 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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Yeh, Ive been planning on using mid set controls. I wanted an agressive riding position, not a slouched/stretched out kinda deal. I guess thats why I put the seat up higher and I'm using clubman bars...I sat on it, it felt pretty nice, but I wont know for shure until I make my foot controls. I think it looks good, following the line from the bottom of the tank. I guess we will have to see. Again, thanks teebs.
jim
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nickmo Full Member
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Posted: September 8, 2009, 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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CLUBMANS DOWN!!
So say I.
I like the seat up a little higher BTW.
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jimxsrider Full Member
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Posted: October 21, 2009, 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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new pics today! Sorry for no updates lately, but ive been working on the little stuff..... foot peg mount, foot pegs, seat spring mounts, etc.....
But here it is as it sits lately, virtually unchanged, just off the table and on the ground. I wish i could leave my forks bottomed out like this, it looks so cool. was thinking that a shortened springer would look cool and allow me to keep it that low. Its got about 3-3/4" of ground clearance. With the 21" wheel on the front it should bump that number up an inch, so when the forks are in the right position i will probably have way to much space between the frame and the ground....trying to figure out how to keep it this low should be fun.
comments and suggestions welcome
jim
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danxs650mass Full Member
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Posted: October 22, 2009, 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Jim's Hard Tail Project |
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hey nice work i like the tank i found a bennile tank to use to i was wondering what you were gona use for a petcock i still havent found one for the tank im plan ning on useing?? thanks you ever think of going to a 16 inch rear wheel ?
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