Current financial crisis

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

December 21 2012 is rapidly approaching if one believes that sort of thing.........xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

Not to mention Y2K...

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

We have hope......WWIII will end the world wide depression.......xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

Can a cannon be mounted to a xs650?

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

If you rev it enough it will eventually explode.......hard to time that so you would be in the right place ............

xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

I've never been a big fan of the big Suicide Bomber fad, so I'll probly just stick to carrying roman candles with me.

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Yea.......if it really lets loose in a big way just think of which parts of our body's we treasure the most ........may raise our voices a half an octave or so.................they call me John now.....not sure I would like the name Joana..............could create a financial crisis....especially with my legs..........but maybe LOGO would make more since then........

xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

Yeah, not gonna risk that. I'll just paint a naked chick on the gas tank, they'll have to avert their eyes.

Barbara · Posted: October 1, 2008, 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Now you guys are just being weird.....the part of my body I "treasure" the most is my brain.....but wait. Now that I think about it, what you guys are saying makes sense.... Laughing

Anyway, it won't work. After the Global Meltdown, we will need the XS's since they are one of the few bikes that will be dependable enough to use. So using them as big grenades wouldn't make sense....Ninja's, now---that appeals! And there are lots of AMF harleys around, not doing much....

It gives a whole new meaning to "Bang! Goes Old Betsy!", doesn't it?

eanwhile, the south and southwest has no gasoline. We got issues, folks. Real issues. I may have to "up-armor" my sidecar!

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Certain parts that were so joyously endowed upon us did take away from our brains..........eve cam from a rib..........must have been brains they got the other stuff from......and comparing each in size may account for a lot of unanswered questions...............

""Job interview""......let me see here......nope ...you are way to stupid....,..

aybe we shoud double check the canditates......seems we have a vivid picture of Bill's (#$%@) and which dirrection it pointed must mean something......left I would assume.............

xsjon

xsjohn · Posted: October 1, 2008, 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Soon to be no longer called a wall street bail out.....they are now trying to call it a tax payer rescue bill...............now I have heard everything.............

xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

a tax payer to the rescue bill maybe... or a final nail in the coffin bill.

xsjohn · Posted: October 2, 2008, 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Voting for our own demise........kinda like kissing our own ass goodby..........

Think I am starting to like the way China handles people who do things that really hurt their country.........they take them out and shoot them......would make the theory of America first easier for these jerks here to understand.............but I can surely see them voting on that issue.....

xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

My deepest condolensces to my republican friends for last nights debate... that girl is clueless.

xsjohn · Posted: October 3, 2008, 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

America is beginning to love clueless....some politician telling them what they want to hear even if it is all BS....we are broke...but the up coming socialist party will make things all better..............think not..........

xsjohn

XSDAD · Full Member Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 176

That's the answer, lipstick. fixes everything.

georelle · Posted: October 3, 2008, 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

XSDAD wrote:

My deepest condolensces to my republican friends for last nights debate... that girl is clueless.

Oh really? What in the debate brings you to this conclusion?

jimmythetrucker · Full Member Joined: Mar 12, 2008 Posts: 1283

xsjohn wrote:

Think I am starting to like the way China handles people who do things that really hurt their country.........they take them out and shoot them......would make the theory of America first easier for these jerks here to understand.............but I can surely see them voting on that issue.....[xsjohn

Those who think themselves conservative never tire of saying that "all power currupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Yet we often see them standing in line to offer police more and more power. Now I see some of you post that you think it would be OK if cops could summarily execute people you self-styled conservatives don't like. It never seems to occur to the conservatives that if they give the police power to do summary executions, that power will someday be used by cops to execute those who gave them the power in the first place.

Absolute power does indeed corrupt absolutely, and the thing about absolute power is that those who wield it grow more and more paranoid, every day of their lives. It gets to the point, finally, where they perceive EVERYONE as a threat and act on their perception accordingly.

Wisdom counsels us to be careful what we wish for, just on the chance we might get it.

xsjohn · Posted: October 3, 2008, 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

There is no fix.......they already blew it....spent it all and sent the rest overseas..and selling off the rest.......all of this is just a postponement of the inevitable........

xsjohn

jimmythetrucker · Full Member Joined: Mar 12, 2008 Posts: 1283

xsjohn wrote:

There is no fix.......they already blew it....spent it all and sent the rest overseas..and selling off the rest.......all of this is just a postponement of the inevitable........

xsjohn

About that much at least, John, you are absolutely correct. This $700 billion they're asking for is just Wall Street grasping at a chance to make just one more raid on the treasury before Congress goes home for the year.

I burned up a great many cell-phone minutes on Monday calling congressional offices in Iowa and in D.C. It was very hard, that day, to get through at all, and it was reported that constituents we calling in 100-to-1 against the bailout. This morning, I called all five members of the Iowa Congressional Delegation and got through to all of them on the very first try, no waiting at all. The crooks are going to win because people have simply given up.

Dial those phones. Get your neighbors to dial their phones. Don't just sit there in a snit and post in this forum. DO something. Maybe it's not yet too late, but it will be soon.

xsjohn · Posted: October 3, 2008, 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

Have been calling and emailing.........the term "treasury" would infer that there is some money in there......there isn't..........sorry for the snitting...just frustrated as usual......same crap with NAFTA.....

xsjohn

georelle · Posted: October 3, 2008, 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

jimmythetrucker wrote:

The crooks are going to win because people have simply given up.

Dial those phones. Get your neighbors to dial their phones. Don't just sit there in a snit and post in this forum. DO something. Maybe it's not yet too late, but it will be soon.

Done!

Unfortunately I think you are right people have given up. Or they believe what they are telling them.. "People don't support it because they don't understand what is going on"

G

jimmythetrucker · Full Member Joined: Mar 12, 2008 Posts: 1283

xsjohn wrote -- same crap with NAFTA

Jimmy sez: What follows was written in Columbia, MO, in 1994.

Ross Perot, Aristophanes and Journalism:
Big News covers the NAFTA debate

COLUMBIA, Mo., 1994 -- Big News is not finished with Ross Perot. But, from the Big-News reporters who cover national politics, Perot has had all the good press he's ever going to get. That's because Perot shocked and angered Big-News journalism when, during last November's NAFTA debate (staged on CNN's "Larry King Live" and simulcast on National Public Radio), the Texas tycoon called Vice President Al Gore a liar.

Journalistic outrage was nowhere more apparent than in the conduct of NPR's Daniel Schorr. After Perot hurled his accusation, Schorr spent the entirety of the next CNN commercial break huffing about how people can't talk like that to "the second most powerful official" in the U.S. government. But Perot has his own idea of how to talk to politicians. He doesn't like journalists much, either. Moreover (and despite ways in which it can be argued that money has twisted the Texan) it must be granted that, in Perot, cash lends confidence to a man already blessed with the good sense not to worry about Daniel Schorr's opinion of anything.

Incensed by Perot's sacrilegious contempt, Schorr and everyone else at Big News attacked. Through the remainder of the congressional haggling over NAFTA, Big News targeted Perot and his labor-movement allies for a crescendo of coffee-club invective: Anti-NAFTA threats of ballot-box reprisals against turncoat Democrats were the "gross," "heavy-handed," "politics of fear." Editorial cartoons lampooned Perot as a niddering, nagging, jug-eared, reactionary buffoon who, had he been positioned in time to do so, would have turned Columbus' ships around and kept Western civilization penned in Europe for another millennium or two. On the other hand, Big-News pundits called the administration's frenzied, brazen vote-buying "bold leadership."

That storm has passed. With NAFTA safely in the corporate lobby's pocket, "Ol' Ross" will soon find his world grown quiet -- more quiet, even, than he'll probably like. For if things run true to form, there will now be a brick wall between Perot's political effort and the headlines of major newspapers. Television and radio will ignore him, unless he pays for time or does something stupid, until the campaign of 1996. Then, if he pokes his head up, Big News will only laugh and snipe at him for comic relief.

That is the price the Texan will pay for calling Al Gore a liar. That is censorship as those who own this country like to see censorship done. That is more than a rock in the road of would-be populists who, like Ross Perot, ride into town shooting from the lip. That is a mountain blocking the way to urgently needed systemic reform. That is journalism as practiced by people of a sort that journalist George Orwell called "the lords of property and their hired liars and bumsuckers."

Now it will be said that I'm too hard on Big News because I don't know what I'm talking about; that journalists do not dictate rules governing coverage of the White House and of Congress; that coverage of the NAFTA dicker wasn't all so bad anyway; that one really shouldn't call the vice president of the United States a liar; and besides -- Ross Perot is a phony son of a biscuit who doesn't care squat for Jake and Judy Sixpack.

Well, there's no doubt Gore was right when he said Perot stood to make money whether NAFTA was ratified or not. But what rational financial entity would position itself elsewhere? Certainly not those interests that, collectively, spread more than $35 million around Capitol Hill to grease the treaty's congressional skids.

Being that's the case -- that U.S. corporations set themselves to make money in Mexico, NAFTA or no -- Gore surely told less than the truth when he laid out his nightmare vision of the future for American business, should NAFTA fail to win ratification. He was less than truthful again when speaking of the hateful maquiladora strip. Conditions in the maquiladora are not so nice or hopeful as Gore would have us think. Conditions in the maquiladora are in fact appalling and not soon apt to improve, as any who bother to drive to Juarez and look for themselves can see.

Perot knows all that better than most. So why shouldn't he call Gore a liar? Because the Tennessee Tuxedo happens to be vice president of the United States?

Baloney! This is a democracy, remember, where we separate the person from the office and then criticize the tenant to our hearts' content. And we do so with good reason: Vice President Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton. Vice President Andrew Johnson was a drunken bigot. Vice President Spiro Agnew was a low, mean-mouthed crook. Vice President George H.W. Bush was, in his own words, "out of the loop."

You may like or dislike Ross Perot. He's certainly not my idea of a good time. But as to his being naught but a cynical opportunist who cares only for his investments, that notion bears re-examination because his record shows otherwise. He took time out from his billions to go to Vietnam and check on American POWs, for instance, when nobody in the U.S. government could be bothered to do so. His business interests provide jobs for a number of Americans and, so far as I'm aware, he shows no inclination to close up shop, move south and buy slaves, as many of his detractors rush to do. In sum it is possible that Perot truly believes persons of modest means should have a voice in government, and that corporate hegemony is neither an expression of our Founders' intent for this nation nor is it some ineluctable product of the imperfect machinery they set in motion.

I know that journalists don't write rules under which Congress and the White House get reported. I also know that, in the past, elected officials who made things tough for journalists could expect tough treatment in turn. Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon are two who forgot that. Now it seems as though journalists themselves have forgotten it. What is more likely the case, however, is that corporate owners of Big-News jobs don't want their creatures yapping under the White House porch or over on the Hill, where the owners of Big News lobby hard and spend wads of dough to get their tax breaks passed into law. How else can we the people explain our watchdogs' near-total failure to bark the alarm when (as Jon Katz reported in Rolling Stone) President Clinton pulled imported champagne off White House press flights and replaced it with Dom Domestique?

For the rest of it, I really don't know what I'm talking about. I've never worked for Big News. I've never been to Washington. I don't watch television. On the other hand, I read news religiously and listen to radio news every afternoon. So it isn't my fault that I'm ignorant. Journalism has failed me. Some woman on the radio (Was it Nina Totenberg?) admitted as much in a broadcast during the week of the NAFTA debate. She said that although news media had been explaining NAFTA to the American people for several weeks, latest polls showed that few Americans understood the treaty.

Here at last, we should ponder a curiosity: Perot has what Greek philosopher Aristophanes felt were all the requirements for success in politics: "a horrible voice, bad breeding, and a vulgar manner." But Big-News journalists have none of those things. As a group they are handsome, articulate, impeccably groomed adepts of persuasion. Their voices croon to us from millions of radios; they flash us beautiful smiles from the screens of innumerable televisions; their wisdom is spread for us across every op-ed page in the country; but still, it is not enough. We listen; we watch; we read; but somehow Big News can't make us understand.

Perhaps, as Aristophanes implied, the homely man is the better communicator. But I think there is another reason for Big News' failure, and it is this: However much Americans miss in Perot the good looks of a Peter Jennings, the rhetorical dash of a George Will, the erudition of a David Broder and the polished voice of a Daniel Schorr, many of us find the Texan easier to understand because, unlike Big-News journalists, H. Ross Perot never tries to tell us s*** is diamonds or that ratification of the so-called North American Free Trade Agreement amounts to anything more or less than repeal of the American Dream.

I stated at the beginning that Ross Perot has had all the good press he's ever going to get. So have the American people, as Big-News' coverage of the NAFTA haggle clearly shows.

weekendrider · Posted: October 3, 2008, 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Current financial crisis

xsjohn wrote:

There is no fix.......they already blew it....xsjohn

So true. A 5 page bill has turn into 400+ pages of pork.

Both sides indicated (to me) that they are in favor of more regulation, of some sort or another. How many laws do we need? There are 10 that work really well if applied.

XSDAD you were right. We are all in a mess. I normally don't peruse the economic news of other nations. A quick check show UK, AU, NZ, Japan, CN, economies all on the skids. With the fall in oil prices Russian economy looking at pitfalls, although I don't think they air their dirty laundry.

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