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dtkid Full Member
Joined: Apr 18, 2006 Posts: 31 Location: harlan county, kentucky
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Posted: July 25, 2006, 10:43 am Post subject: kick vs electric start |
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The 79' 650-Special I have been re-furbing is nearly complete. A quick question:
The bike will start if I kick it but not with the starter. I thought my battery was good (freshly charged). Is there any reason other than a less than strong battery that would cause the bike to prefer to start with the kick-start instead of the starter?
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royfisk Full Member
Joined: May 24, 2006 Posts: 1597 Location: winchester, new hampshire usa
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Posted: July 25, 2006, 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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Does the starter make any noise at all?
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Peke Full Member
Joined: Jun 30, 2006 Posts: 27
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Posted: July 26, 2006, 2:05 am Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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I'd say just kick it.
Electrical start on a XS is a crime imo.
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kingwj 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Sep 04, 2005 Posts: 801 Location: Delaware
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Posted: July 26, 2006, 5:54 am Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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The battery needs to be 110% for the starter to be dependable. I find my starter to be OK when cold starting but less so when the bike is hot.
I wouldn't lose sleep over it, after all they kept kick start for a reason.
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dtkid Full Member
Joined: Apr 18, 2006 Posts: 31 Location: harlan county, kentucky
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Posted: July 26, 2006, 9:36 am Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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I agree that kickin' is the way to go. That is my only disappointment with my Suzukis'; for whatever reason they discontinued the kick-start.
To answer the questions raised: the starter does indeed work. It turns the crank at a really high rate but the machine won't fire. I can only get it to fire when I kick it. It seemed strange to me. Thanks for the replies.
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jayel 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: SE Iowa 1974 TX650A
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Posted: July 26, 2006, 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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Starter relay or starter safty switch not making contact, check them out
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Peke Full Member
Joined: Jun 30, 2006 Posts: 27
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Posted: July 26, 2006, 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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Remember that the electical start eats a great amount of batterypower.
Kickstart doesnt so more power for the sparkplugs to fire the old lady.
Cheers
Peke
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dtkid Full Member
Joined: Apr 18, 2006 Posts: 31 Location: harlan county, kentucky
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Posted: July 27, 2006, 8:40 am Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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Peke:
Thanks.....that makes good sense to me.
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grizld1 Full Member
Joined: Jun 20, 2005 Posts: 594 Location: Carbondale, IL
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Posted: July 27, 2006, 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: kick vs electric start |
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Peke's right on target there, dtkid. Cleaning up contacts does a lot, especially battery ground and the solenoid-to-starter motor cable. I replaced both of those with heavier-gauge copper wire; made a major difference. I also ditched the safety relay and installed a toggle switch to cut the pushbutton lead in and out manually.
That having been said, if my right leg weren't a bit of a mess from an old crash, I'd be running without electric start and shaving 12 pounds or so of gears and starter motor off my scoot like I used to do! As it is, I need that button, much as I hate it.
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