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grinder Full Member
Joined: Jul 29, 2009 Posts: 36
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Posted: November 21, 2009, 2:53 pm Post subject: Rotor bolt grade? |
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Does anybody know what grade the bolts should be that bolt the brake rotor to the hub? The stock bolts have no markings. I would like to use stainless but don't know if they would be strong enough.
Thanks
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KevC Full Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2009 Posts: 13 Location: Herts, uk
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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Hi grinder
You can buy high tensile stainless bolts for your discs from the likes of ProBolt etc... but here is a quote from Inox stainless
"If Stainless isn’t as strong as high tensile steel is it going to be strong enough?
This is our MOST faq. Firstly it should be made clear that if for whatever reason you require high tensile (HT) bolts you should use original equipment. Secondly if we believed a bolt was not strong enough for a particular application we would not sell it to you. HT steel is used by factories because it is cheap, convenient and saves assembly time. We ran a motorcycle fitted with standard A2 bolts on discs and fork castings etc which were tested on a daily basis for many months and found no problems whatsoever. Not really a surprise when you consider both the hub and the yokes are low tensile cast alloy - the threads on the fastener are actually stronger than the threads in the material. If you need further reassurance - in the seven years we have been selling stainless we have not had a report of a single failure because the bolt wasn’t strong enough"
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grinder Full Member
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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Thanks much for the info. A2 is the grade of the stainless bolts I was looking at. I thought they should work but the originals have no markings so you have nothing to compare to. It's probably very true that the stainless bolts are stronger than the material they are going into. Pro bolts stuff is nice but $6.00 a bolt is kind of pricey.
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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Mikes has them, along with nice new lock tabs.....
His look to me to be std mild steel cadium plated:
www.mikesxs.net/produc...l#products
A higher tensile bolt is not necessarily a good thing. A high tensile bolt offers greater tensile strength sure, but there's always a trade off....A mild steel bolt has better shear strength.
What is a disc going to try & do? Will it want to pull away from where it is bolted (need tensile strenth), or will it want to rotate around (need shear strenth)?
y money is on the disc wanting to spin, so mild steel would be optimal. Stainless is not as strong as steel in either tensile or shear strenth.
Having said all that, I'm not sure if it matters or not (in this application), & it's all up to you. Std for me though.....
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benztech Full Member
Joined: Sep 01, 2009 Posts: 62
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I installed SS button head bolts from ace hardware.. It looks very clean. I applied blue threadlocker since I didn't use the locking tabs. .
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grinder Full Member
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I was looking fot button heads but they didn't have them in the correct size at my local Hdw. only socket heads. With dual discs would you say the load would only be half of a single disc setup? I'm converting to dual slotted discs.
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benztech Full Member
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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would you like me to post a pic. if you have an ACE hardware local they will carry what you need. as far as the stock grade I really don't know.
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I have the ones I removed , the oem ones, and the ones I got from mike when I did my front end and brake. You are correct that there are no markings on either.
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yamaman Support Staff
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 1638 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: November 22, 2009, 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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yep, just checked mine, no markings, mild steel, cad plated. Yamaha would have had a bazzillion high tensile bolts lying around, engineers would have specified mild steel!
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KevC Full Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2009 Posts: 13 Location: Herts, uk
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Posted: November 23, 2009, 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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Here is a picture of mine, A2 stainless buttons, and no probs so far. Cant see all 6 bolts failing together, no matter wot set up ya runnnig. Even the Probolt ones are only 316 stainless
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grinder Full Member
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Posted: November 23, 2009, 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I checked two Ace Hdw. nearby and they only had up to 6mm in the SS button head. Maybe a larger store would have more.
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BigGeorge Full Member
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Posted: November 23, 2009, 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I think the failure of the SS bolt would or could happen if the bolt were torqued to Yamaha specs instead of the specs put out for the size of the bolt by the SS manufacturer.........BG
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: November 23, 2009, 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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grinder- my local ace hardware has specialty chrome fasteners . I think they are geared toward motorcycles generally but they are a bit pricey for me.
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benztech Full Member
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Posted: November 24, 2009, 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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go to a better ACE. my local ACE has everything to include a full chrome section. the chrome can get pricey. On my bobber build I spent like 200$ on chrome and SS fastners.
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xsleo Full Member
Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Posts: 1528 Location: Earlville NY
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Rotor bolt grade? |
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I get alot of my hardware at Lowes. They have a good selection of bolts and nuts.
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