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83 XS650 headlight question
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Razdog76 New Member
Joined: Sep 07, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Ohio
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Posted: November 9, 2009, 6:02 pm Post subject: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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My xs650 headlight appears to be too wide for the standard mounting ears. They are splayed out, and do not look right.
The headlight bucket part number is YHA-127.
What year/model headlight buckets and ears are compatable?
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nj1639 Full Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Switzerland County, Indiana
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Posted: November 9, 2009, 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Not sure what you've got there.
www.yamaha-motor.com/s.../home.aspx
Here's a part site that I use for comparison.
Seems that these buckets, once removed, don't want to go back to stock configuration.
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Razdog76 New Member
Joined: Sep 07, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Ohio
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Posted: November 10, 2009, 10:59 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Thanks for you reply and the parts list. I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert on xs650's.
The headlight bucket is chrome, but appears to be too big for the ears. I beleive that this bike was crashed at some point, but doesn't have a salvage title.
Nevertheless, I am unsure if I have the correct parts, or the parts were not aligned properly.
I will look for some more numbers and maybe post a picture.
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nj1639 Full Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Switzerland County, Indiana
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Posted: November 10, 2009, 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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I know what you're saying, mine are out of whack and it appears as if the bucket is too large for the ear spread.
I believe to remedy the problem you'ld have to take the forks and triple tree down, position the signals in the bucket with the ears attached and then re-assemble with the bucket, signals and ears as a unit on to the forks.
Would be nice to see an unmolested bucket to figure out what the h-e-double toothpicks is going on.
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: November 10, 2009, 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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I had all this apart recently on mine. The oem black one was all beat up and I had the forks apart already so I installed a nos chrome one from a 76 C model. I put the forks together with the uppers threaded through the upper covers (as they call the ears on mine) . Stuck the signals through the ears and the bucket and it was fine. I did have some issue and if I recall correctly it was that I was missing some bushings that I found and it came together ok. Possibly you have wrong parts? I did not assemble them as a unit.
The one I took off.
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Razdog76 New Member
Joined: Sep 07, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Ohio
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Posted: November 11, 2009, 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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pumps wrote: |
I had all this apart recently on mine. The oem black one was all beat up and I had the forks apart already so I installed a nos chrome one from a 76 C model. I put the forks together with the uppers threaded through the upper covers (as they call the ears on mine) . Stuck the signals through the ears and the bucket and it was fine. I did have some issue and if I recall correctly it was that I was missing some bushings that I found and it came together ok. Possibly you have wrong parts? I did not assemble them as a unit. |
The first question I have is what is the overall width of your bucket?
Are there any identifying numbers?
y bucket appears to be the same as yours, but the ears are not the same. Mine are welded from the inside of the fork tubes. Moreover, they appear to be upsidedown compared to yours. It does not look like these particular ears can mount in any other way to the adjustmet bolt at the bottom of the bucket.
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Razdog76 New Member
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nj1639 Full Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Switzerland County, Indiana
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Posted: November 11, 2009, 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Thanks for the pics there, pumps. Would be nice to see a shot from above, I'm thinking mine may have straightened out a bit and may need a bit of a bend at the end.
Gotta be that these ears don't come off the forks dead straight , must be at an angle outward to the side and then the last couple of inches they bend back in to go straight.
Am I making sense?
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pumps 650Rider Supporter
Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 1993 Location: Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.- 1977 XS650 "D" Standard
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Posted: November 11, 2009, 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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I can take more pictures or measurements if you like. Tell me what you need.
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jetmechmarty Full Member
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 98 Location: Dahlonega, GA
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Posted: November 12, 2009, 3:54 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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The SECA series bikes had a large headlight. Maybe you have one of those? What is the diameter of your light?
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jetmechmarty Full Member
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Posted: November 12, 2009, 4:10 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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i187.photobucket.com/a...400358.jpg
SECA light.
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CaptDan Full Member
Joined: Aug 25, 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: November 12, 2009, 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Hi, Razdog.
Like jetmechmarty said, the rather rare 1982 XJ650RJ Seca had an 8" headlamp assembly vs the XS' 7", so it would be a much wider bucket.
Those "ears" appear to be stock for your '83, and are identical to my 1980.
www.babbittsonline.com...parts.aspx
And yes, they do appear to need to be spread apart "too" far to get the stock bucket to fit.
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Razdog76 New Member
Joined: Sep 07, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Ohio
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Posted: November 13, 2009, 9:04 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Thanks CaptDan.
y bucket is 8 inches wide, and IMHO it does not look right on the bike.
Even though it looks like I have the correct parts, I think I will have to find one of the earlier assemblies that appears to be a little smaller and "fits" better.
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CaptDan Full Member
Joined: Aug 25, 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: November 13, 2009, 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Sorry for any misinterpretation I may have caused. The headlight on the Seca is an 8” unit, which makes the bucket about 9” wide.
Our bikes use a 7” light, so yeah, the stock bucket ends up being about 8" wide.
According to the parts lists, the XS650 used the same bucket (584) from 1974 to 1983, so if you’re looking for something different, look for 1973 or older.
Sometimes the stackup from all the washers, grommets, spacers, etc. splays the ears outward too much. Perhaps juggling the sequence of parts may bring the ears in tighter.
Good luck!
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gggGary Full Member
Joined: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 114
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Posted: December 4, 2009, 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Here's couple of snaps from my 83 heritage. The ears are nearly always all bent up. It took me three sets of ears and some careful wood block and mallet work to get this front end back together correctly. Forgive the first pic really that's just dust in the flash, the chrome is good, I'm so embarrassed!
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nj1639 Full Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Switzerland County, Indiana
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Posted: December 5, 2009, 9:43 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Allright, I'll let the cat out of the bag.
I picked up a set of ears from a '78 standard, I believe, the kind that come straight out from the outside of the tubes. Not stock for my '83 hs but work beautifully.
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CaptDan Full Member
Joined: Aug 25, 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: December 16, 2009, 7:51 am Post subject: Re: 83 XS650 headlight question |
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Razdog76 wrote: |
My bucket is 8 inches wide, and IMHO it does not look right on the bike.
Even though it looks like I have the correct parts, I think I will have to find one of the earlier assemblies that appears to be a little smaller and "fits" better. | Razdog, I removed the headlight mounting "ears" from my bike and applied gggGary's technique (mallet and wood block) to increase the bend in the ears.
Quite simple, really.
The mounting flats on either side of the headlight bucket are now parallel (instead of splayed out) and everything fits together much nicer.
It seems the factory just didn't stamp the ears with enough bend in them.
Give that a try before buying more stuff.
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